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[00:01:36] What's the best way to celebrate a key accomplishment milestone such as the one year anniversary of your podcast. Why with family? My 16 year old son, Patrick, is the interviewer in this conversation where he helps me reflect on the challenges and learning I've experienced over the last year while creating 52 weekly episodes of this show, talent management truths.
[00:02:02] plus as a bonus, Patrick shares his views on what it's like being a teenager, trying to map out your whole career path at the age of 15, as well as offering some ideas for my YouTube channel. It was so fun doing this with Patrick. He surprised me by going beyond asking a few questions to really offering up more of his own reflections and ideas than I ever expected.
[00:02:25] This is probably my favorite episode ever. Hello, and welcome back to talent management truths. I'm your host, Lisa Mitchell. And today I have a very special episode. I'm joined by my son, Patrick. Patrick is 16 and he's here to help me flip the script. So essentially he's going to interview me today. And why are we doing this? Well today? When this episode goes live it's October 5th, 2022.
[00:02:57] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--61157a395affa4006d0cfc64--lollyg: So that's almost exactly a year from our first episode of the podcast, October 6th, 2021. So I want to celebrate 52 episodes. This will be the 53rd. And I thought the best way to do that was with, with family and, and to, to kind of reflect and think about what brought me to podcasting in the first place.
[00:03:15] So Patrick's gonna help me explore that a little bit today. Welcome to the show, Patrick.
[00:03:21] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--guest762692--patrick: Hey, happy to be here. so you launched this show talent management truths about a year ago on October 6th. Congratulations.
[00:03:28] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--61157a395affa4006d0cfc64--lollyg: Thank.
[00:03:29] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--guest762692--patrick: Why did you decide to make a podcast in the first place?
[00:03:33] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--61157a395affa4006d0cfc64--lollyg: Well, well, it was something, you know, I'd been thinking about since I started my business back in about 2017 and it always felt like a bit of a a longer term goal. I had some friends that podcasted and so on, and it was sort of like, oh, when I get there coming through the pandemic though, I really felt like, okay, this, this.
[00:03:51] This is making sense to me because essentially the people that I serve you and I have talked about this they're talent management leaders. So these are people that work in HR organizational development, learning and development employee experience. And that's kind of where I, I come from in the corporate world.
[00:04:07] And because they've got so many people relying on them, I figure if I can support them, cuz I get it. I've been there. Then they're going to have a more. Exponential positive impact on all of the people they support. So this gives them platform to do that right, to really help elevate their visibility, their, you know, their influence, their credibility you know, and develop their own thought leadership.
[00:04:30] And I think that's important. You know, in, in the work that we do, right. To actually be clear about your ideas and, and your position on, on certain things, certain topics and how to do certain pieces. So that's why and you know what the other thing is, Patrick, I get to meet so many nice people and, and expand my network, which is really great.
[00:04:50] So it gives me a platform as well, to be able. To do that and to share what I'm offering, what I do. Right. So, so part of it is around helping educate people. You know, that I'm a coach, that I'm a facilitator, that I'm a talent management thought partner. And my ideas, you know, down the road, if somebody's listened to an episode or been a guest that if they need one of those services that they might go, oh, I remember Lisa, you know, and they'll seek me out assuming that they felt a connection.
[00:05:16] It gives me kind of like a nice non-pushy non salesy way to get to know people.
[00:05:22] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--guest762692--patrick: Interesting cause it's interactive with your, with your clients as well with the people you work with.
[00:05:26] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--61157a395affa4006d0cfc64--lollyg: Well, that's actually a good point. I, I do have clients come on the show. Absolutely. And some people become clients after becoming, after being on the show. Not, not always, that's not the, the main point of it. But yeah, it, it works both ways for sure.
[00:05:40] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--guest762692--patrick: interesting. And as you said before, like it allows you to sort of communicate what you do. So expands your brand a little bit. So listeners can be like, okay, well this is the person I want to help me with, or this is the person I want. I want, I want to help me. Awesome.
[00:05:52] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--61157a395affa4006d0cfc64--lollyg: it.
[00:05:55] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--guest762692--patrick: What do you, think's been your biggest challenge in making the show happen?
[00:05:58] Like week after week? Cuz it's, it's challenging managing all of this.
[00:06:02] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--61157a395affa4006d0cfc64--lollyg: It's a lot. I still can't believe I I've got 52 episodes out there. What, remember you and dad got me that, microphone, boom stand and, and, and podcast course. I mean, that was almost two years ago. And so, wow. Time's flown and we've come a long way, you know, as far as challenges, I think there are three main ones.
[00:06:22] So number one. And I was talking to my coach about this too last month or something. Cause she's a podcaster as well. And I think number one's been booking the guests. So, following up with them cuz you don't wanna be, you don't wanna be. Pushy or annoying. And yet when I spot someone who looks like they'd be really excellent and have a lot of really interesting wisdom to share, then I, then I wanna get them on.
[00:06:43] So I will follow up. You just, it's tough. They're busy people, right. And a lot of them. It's actually a common theme with almost every single person as they sort of go, why are you asking me? You know, they, they, they worry that they don't have enough goodness to share, and yet they're all experts in their field.
[00:06:58] So it's, it's quite fascinating. So, you know, so I'm, I'm finding though that people are getting that this is a way to give back to the talent management community and it is a way to, to develop that thought leadership I was talking about. So, I think it helps having, you know, 52 episodes behind me too, right.
[00:07:14] To entice people to come on.
[00:07:16] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--guest762692--patrick: Oh, yeah. With a history of a BR with a, with a brand history. Absolutely. It's enough to entice really? Anyone.
[00:07:20] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--61157a395affa4006d0cfc64--lollyg: I'm not brand new anymore, you know?
[00:07:22] So,
[00:07:23] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--guest762692--patrick: You've been here for a while. You're able to.
[00:07:25] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--61157a395affa4006d0cfc64--lollyg: Yeah. Yeah. This is it. Well, so. You know, the other challenge I would say is certain months. So the way we do it is I have a podcast producer. Who's amazing Emily and Kelly, Emily's the owner of the ultimate creative.
[00:07:38] So shout out to her. And Kelly works with her and they're just really exceptional people. There's certain. Months though, where I have four episodes that I need to batch and submit and other months where there are five episodes and I find those months a bit tough. Right? Cause I've
[00:07:52] gotta have five ready to go.
[00:07:53] Because the third challenge is finding enough time, blocking the time to write all the show notes. Because I do them myself, cuz I, I, I don't farm that out at this point anyways, because I really wanna be true to the essence of what was discussed and I figure I was the one in the interview, so I, I want to, to do those.
[00:08:10] So, and I get good feedback on them.
[00:08:12] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--guest762692--patrick: Huh. Interesting. A lot of hurdles didn't realize it was this hard to manage podcasting.
[00:08:17] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--61157a395affa4006d0cfc64--lollyg: Yeah. See, that's what I'm doing in the, in the room over beside you
[00:08:22] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--guest762692--patrick: I don't know, it just seemed very different from what I've observed before. Like, like what is it for school in the meteor arts class, they did a little podcasting segment and it just seems very, very different. Like it's just recording and seems sound editing, but like managing it just, it's incredible, you know, actually fully realize that like it's is organizing a proper date where everyone can do it and just preparing for it, for it to be, you know, hour an hour long, two hours long, depending how, what it is.
[00:08:47] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--61157a395affa4006d0cfc64--lollyg: Oh, yeah, there's a whole art and science behind it. There's a lot of administration cuz you have to have your intro and your outro and your teaser intro and you know where you're talking about the guest. And so there's quite a few moving parts and my assistant, Colleen, who's also amazing. She really helps, you know, get a lot of the stuff uploaded for, for the podcast pro production team to take over.
[00:09:08] And so there's, there's a few hands on these things.
[00:09:11] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--guest762692--patrick: I can. Yeah. It's yeah, it sounds like a holy, so. What would you say has really helped you get all the way to 52 52 episodes? Like a year later? What would you say has helped you with that?
[00:09:24] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--61157a395affa4006d0cfc64--lollyg: Well, the first thing I would say is my team, you know, like I've just been talking about them. So the production team, Emily and Kalay, Colleen, my virtual assistant. The other thing I think is, is determination. My mom, you know, grandma Jane used to say, well and Papa as well, you know, you sure are one determined person.
[00:09:43] And, and I am. So I think that combined with, you know, being organized, trying to be on top of it has, has really. . Yeah.
[00:09:51] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--guest762692--patrick: it's a nice, nice way to pay ho much to them.
[00:09:54] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--61157a395affa4006d0cfc64--lollyg: Yeah. Oh,
[00:09:54] thank
[00:09:55] you.
[00:09:56] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--guest762692--patrick: So also I figured you've learned some things like along the way of doing all this. Can you tell us some examples of what's? So some of the biggest takeaway.
[00:10:03] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--61157a395affa4006d0cfc64--lollyg: Yeah. So. You know, initially I had some scripted questions and they're ones that I still share with guests in advance. They have an idea of, of, of things we could talk about or questions that I might ask, but I found that the same questions get boring fast. And initially I was, it was more about people's story and their career journeys and stuff.
[00:10:21] And it's not that their career journeys were boring, but I got, you know, like, okay, I want to pull in more around, you know, more practical stuff that they've done and experiences and opinion. So I ended up switching that up quite a bit. So I still start with people's backgrounds a little bit about their journey, but then I move more quickly into kind of the essence of what they're all about.
[00:10:41] So we do that in the, you know, we book an hour, but the recording's only about 30, 40 minutes. So it's the first 15, 20 minutes where we're talking about you know, what will. So certain topics, any projects that they're passionate about. And I come up with key questions to ask based on what they share with me.
[00:10:58] And so it's neat cuz I get, I get acquainted with them. If I don't already know them and we map it out in a collaborative way. So that it really, you know, it's all about. You know, I wanna make sure people have a positive experience and feel like, feel good about what's going out. So that was a, a key learning.
[00:11:12] I think I've, I've, I've worked hard to get, get good at that. And I think it's going well. I, I think the other thing I've learned too is I. You know, podcasting is really validated my love of, of getting to know interesting people. I'm very, very curious. So I get to scratch that itch right. By meeting so many people and having meaningful conversations.
[00:11:32] The other thing too has been that, and I think already knew this, but this just confirmed it yet again, that paying for support to help me stay accountable to my goals. My goal of podcasting as a weekly. That's been worth every penny. I mean, it's, you know, initially there could be sticker shock for anybody who's who's podcasted that may be listening or, or is thinking about it.
[00:11:56] You know, cuz it costs money to have a producer and to have an assistant. That helps you and yet, because I've got that skin in the game, I'm not gonna miss the deadlines. Right. I've gotta get that batch in while people are waiting for it. So I need to deliver it. And if I didn't have that, I was trying to do it all myself.
[00:12:14] I might be a little more lax
[00:12:16] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--guest762692--patrick: Yeah, it'd be challenging. Like one like a one woman show.
[00:12:19] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--61157a395affa4006d0cfc64--lollyg: yeah. Like I, I, I don't think I would've been as consistent in getting a weekly show out for sure.
[00:12:25] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--guest762692--patrick: Interesting. You just get to learn, like, I don't know, just so many different elements and I dunno how to do things being more efficiently as you go.
[00:12:34] Like I'm sure that's also been, that's also probably been something
[00:12:37] you've noticed.
[00:12:37] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--61157a395affa4006d0cfc64--lollyg: Yeah. you're right. Because when I do an interview, now it's more efficient for me to write the show notes right away, to, to look at the recording and pick up, find the quotes and sound bites. I don't always get that because that opportunity, sometimes I'm onto, you know, a client meeting or something.
[00:12:52] So, I do find though, The closer. I do the show notes to the interview, the more efficient and quicker it goes. Yeah. So there's, that's one example of, of where I've learned to be a little, little quicker
[00:13:03] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--guest762692--patrick: Hm. And sort of just back to one, if you like your early responses were, it's like you like to get to know the person sort of inform them, what's gonna be going on. I, I, I, I like that. They're not going in blind. They have a sense of what's going out. They have a sense of what they're going to be saying. So that way they're more relaxed.
[00:13:18] They're not, you know, panicky Jery the whole time. They don't know what they're doing. And as we said, they feel good about what's going out, meaning they don't have to feel dreaded of like, hear of people hearing their own voice or hearing about this person. They can be like, okay, I'm happy people get to get to know me.
[00:13:34] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--61157a395affa4006d0cfc64--lollyg: Yeah. Like, I want them to feel comfortable because it's only when you're comfortable that you can really be at your best. Right. And just, and just, you know, kind of find your groove in the conversation. It's, it's a dialogue. They don't have to do all the heavy lifting. I mean, I'm contributing to the other thing too, is I would say to gas, look.
[00:13:50] If you, if you, you think you flubbed in the middle or you stumble over your words, or you said something you didn't like, well, just stop me and we'll just take, we'll just take that part out, you know, it's, it's no big deal. So, yeah, that's made a difference.
[00:14:03] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--guest762692--patrick: Oh, I can imagine. Just over the course of all these episodes, you've interviewed over 40 talent leaders. Holy, how do you keep track of that from so many
[00:14:12] companies? Oh, yeah. From just, but it's just from like a variety of different companies and industries and just overall, just different parts of north America, like Canada, all over the place, like Edmonton everywhere.
[00:14:23] So because of all that, what would you say? Like, are there any universal truths you've noticed when interviewing just so many people all at.
[00:14:33] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--61157a395affa4006d0cfc64--lollyg: Yes indeed. there's a few, a few themes that I've, that I've noticed. And that's that, you know, I already know that as humans, you know, as a coach, I'm very attuned to this as humans. We all deal with imposter syndrome at times, and I notice it. That imposter being particularly loud for a lot of talent leaders.
[00:14:50] They don't truly believe that they have something people will wanna hear about. And I wanna change this, and this is partly why when people say, yes, they'll come on. You know, I get that. There's some bravery, there's a bit of vulnerability if they've never been on a podcast before and they're putting their voice out there.
[00:15:05] And, and I also know that it can be one of the best things that. That they do. Because it helps, you know, when you say something out loud, you know, how you, you talk about your experience or, or you talk about what, you know, what you've learned, it kind of cements it, it makes it more real and you internalize that learning.
[00:15:20] So I think it's important for that. The other thing I've noticed too, is that we all yearned for connection with other people and especially coming outta the pandemic. I mean, you spent, you know, part of grade eight, all of grade nine online school right. In your bedroom and yeah. And I didn't get to do any in person classroom facilitation, or, you know, like meeting clients
[00:15:40] or
[00:15:40] network it.
[00:15:42] Yeah. It's it, it was really tough. So, you know, it's easy to feel. Alone and the best of the time, best of times. And then you have the pandemic. So, so the podcast I find, like I said earlier, gives me a chance to really connect more meaningfully with people. And I find they enjoy that too. And it's, it's really neat.
[00:16:00] Right. Just talking with somebody. Where you share things in common, you kind of get what the environment is like. Even if the company or the industry they work in is very different. Like I get energy from these conversations and I, I believe based on the feedback that my guests do too. It's nice to be understood.
[00:16:15] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--guest762692--patrick: Yeah, it's a mutual meeting point almost.
[00:16:17] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--61157a395affa4006d0cfc64--lollyg: yeah, yeah. It, this is it a mutual meeting point. That's a good phrase. The. The other thing too, that I, that I noticed that seems to be universal is . And I don't want this to sound less than humble because I was a talent leader, but I do find that openness and humility and curiosity are real hallmarks of people that tend to be in these roles.
[00:16:39] Right. Cuz they, they genuinely. Want to serve, want to help people help people grow. They're very service oriented and they're very curious. So I think that seems to be a common theme to answer your question.
[00:16:52] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--guest762692--patrick: Hmm. Interesting because it's like, I don't know. They, they, even if they're so humble and they just, they, they want to help so bad sometimes that's maybe not what shows or maybe I, maybe I don't fully understand it.
[00:17:04] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--61157a395affa4006d0cfc64--lollyg: Well, what I mean is that the, the humility part is where they they're they're. It goes back to sort of feeling like, why would you ask me to be on the podcast? what do I have to offer? I had one, one person who actually said to me, she goes, I, I don't know if I've asked her to come on. And she said, oh, I, I don't know.
[00:17:21] She goes, I have listened to those episodes. It sounds like none of your guests ever say um, or, uh, like they don't even hesitate and, or you, and, and I, I don't think I'd be that person. And I just laughed because you. Emily will edit out the, the worst of the ums and OS already. Right. So just to make it a smoother listening experience um, of there.
[00:17:40] See, I just said um, like it's very common. But I don't think we need to, to kind of. Worry about that. , you know, being, being out there and, and just trusting, like, you know, when, when all of these wonderful, talented talent people, as I call them are on the job they're, they're doing what has to get done.
[00:18:02] Right. They're, they're leading with humility and curiosity. And so it's the same thing. Just trust that what you do will translate when you come into a conversation with, with, me.
[00:18:14] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--guest762692--patrick: Because you understand it's mu it's, it's, it's mutual in the sense. It's not someone who's completely, you know, foreign to it. They're gonna be confused. They're gonna be like, well, what's this, this, this, and you feel intimidated. Like, I don't know. I don't know.
[00:18:25] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--61157a395affa4006d0cfc64--lollyg: Yeah. It's kind of neat when somebody kind of, you know, understands some of the challenges, some of the opportunities as well, so yeah, for sure.
[00:18:33] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--guest762692--patrick: Awesome. So what would you say are your, you know, what, what, what would the, what's the future of this podcast? What are your plans?
[00:18:42] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--61157a395affa4006d0cfc64--lollyg: Well well, it's good question, cuz I've just really started to dig into. My overall goals for 2023. So definitely it's to keep going, keep going on a weekly basis. And I'm also exploring different types of guests, cuz I've really focused because the audience is widely, those corporate talent leaders I've talked about.
[00:19:02] They've also been the people that I've invited on and I've made a couple of exceptions where I've had more consultants like me, but in different areas. And. Where I thought it made sense. And, and I'm, I'm happy with those choices. I think I may expand to do a little more of that, where I feel like it's, you know, it's a curated decision where I'm, I'm inviting someone on who I really believe is going to add value to the audience versus seldom something.
[00:19:26] I mean, if they do end up getting business great. But I do, I do think I'll start to, to balance. That out with, along with the corporate talent leaders in their experiences. So I'm still playing with that in my mind. What else? Well, I record almost all of the interviews, video and audio, but I haven't leveraged the video for a bunch of different reasons.
[00:19:43] The plan is to have a YouTube channel and calling my assistant, researching that right now about what, what what'll it take to have, even if it's like excerpts from these interviews,
[00:19:53] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--guest762692--patrick: Yeah, little clip.
[00:19:55] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--61157a395affa4006d0cfc64--lollyg: Yeah. To give people a taste of the highlights and so on. So I'm looking into that, cuz some people do. I mean, you love consuming content through video,
[00:20:03] right? You also listen to podcasts though. Yeah. Yeah. So I do want to honor that people like to get their content in different ways. So that may be helpful.
[00:20:14] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--guest762692--patrick: As far as YouTube goes, I've heard shorts is useful. It's like little clips of little of videos, a bit of editing and people it's like scroll right through it.
[00:20:22] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--61157a395affa4006d0cfc64--lollyg: Yeah. So it's kinda like a
[00:20:23] highlight real. Yeah. So I, I want to look into that a little bit. I don't think it's too, too hard to do so. Yeah, that's, that's a good idea. Maybe you can show me some examples after this. The, the other, the other idea too, is, is to do more panel interviews. So do you know what I mean by panel?
[00:20:40] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--guest762692--patrick: Not quite.
[00:20:41] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--61157a395affa4006d0cfc64--lollyg: Well, it's where I have more than one guest. So,
[00:20:44] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--guest762692--patrick: Okay.
[00:20:45] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--61157a395affa4006d0cfc64--lollyg: yeah. So for instance coming up, actually in September, I've got five of the members from the talent trust. My, peer coaching program that I run for talent leaders, five of them everybody agreed to come on. Not all of them could make it, but five members came and recorded a panel interview with me about their experience in the trust, which makes.
[00:21:05] So grateful and so proud. And so we recorded that and it's going to be split into two different episodes. Actually by the time this one airs that will have aired in September and it, it was just really interesting hearing live. People's experiences. Right. And, and getting that kind of feedback.
[00:21:22] It was a bit brave, I think, because I wasn't sure what they were going to say about the program. But they loved it. So that that's a good thing. So I do think maybe doing another panel down the road, it might be around a particular topic, like, employee value proposition and learning pass. And there's, there's a lot of.
[00:21:37] Sort of hot topics now where I find talent leaders are, are charged with these things. So it could really resonate if I get a few people that are at different points in their experience with, with creating programs around those things. So, yeah, that's, that's a thought I had.
[00:21:51] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--guest762692--patrick: Interesting. I'm just trying to think more of like, sort of like expanding the, the brand a little bit, like you said, like with smaller forms of media content, so maybe shorts possibly. or just need you a full on YouTube channel where like, I don't know, you could release maybe VODs of, you know, the podcast and that could be like repost your
[00:22:10] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--61157a395affa4006d0cfc64--lollyg: Is that video on demand?
[00:22:11] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--guest762692--patrick: Not quite no. it's a term I heard. Before it was oh, we're certain streamers cuz streamers. They do most of their streaming on either Twitch or YouTube depending where their platform is. And they have a YouTube channel usually for, you know, VODs they release the full stream, the full recorded stream, cuz they're recording actively as, as they're going, they have a live stream going, but they're also recording it and they upload that file to YouTube and people can go back and watch it.
[00:22:34] I've done that before. It's very entertaining
[00:22:36] and that could be. I dunno, it's, it's less towards the podcast, but you could do, I don't know, like a, like a video sort of interaction type of a podcast than it could be
[00:22:45] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--61157a395affa4006d0cfc64--lollyg: Yeah, I agree. I think there's, there's a lot of possibility there. Right. And especially, I liked your idea about having sort of snippets of the sort of key, parts of the conversation so that, you know, if it's key. Learnings or, or takeaways to highlight those it's almost becomes like another way to support talent leaders that they can go in there and get little sparks of inspiration all in one place.
[00:23:05] Sort of, you know, a little menu of, you know, something on like, we've talked about succession planning One of my favorite favorite episodes Melissa law is a colleague of mine and, and she's come on the podcast three times. She was the first guest actually. And she was, she had just left one role and she was working more independently as a coach at the time.
[00:23:24] Now she's back as a VP of talent in another organization. But anyway, she's been on three times and we got the giggles. I think it was in the third episode. It was so funny. We both kind of speak the same language and we like to geek out about all things, talent management. So that was really fun. And but she, and I did one episode just on succession planning.
[00:23:39] So I could take sort of a key takeaway from that and highlight it on the YouTube channel maybe. That might be kind of fun. So
[00:23:46] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--guest762692--patrick: interest. I'm also just, I I'm sort of still thinking about the, the YouTube idea of what you do have like a video edition of like the podcast you have, you know, yourself and your guest and you guys are just sort of talking and just like a border idea. I don't know. Like, I I've seen some of them before
[00:24:01] the, the, the types. Ways I've seen people do this when they release like a video podcast. If they record it with a camera is essentially, they have like a, like a nice colored border around the person's camera and a guest. And they have like either a logo in the middle splitting it. So it could be like a green apple or something, or usually if they don't wanna show their face, what I've seen these other creators do is they have like little, almost illustrations of themselves, like an animated illustration of them.
[00:24:25] And like, like a little circle with like a, you know, like the, I file just sort of going.
[00:24:30] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--61157a395affa4006d0cfc64--lollyg: Yeah. Yeah. Make it look kind of stylish a little bit
[00:24:34] stylish. Yeah, for
[00:24:35] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--guest762692--patrick: Like a personal,
[00:24:36] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--61157a395affa4006d0cfc64--lollyg: great. tips, Patrick.
[00:24:38] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--guest762692--patrick: like a personal art style. I dunno
[00:24:40] something I've seen repeated in a lot of different creators and it's sort of, it adds something unique to our brand.
[00:24:45] It's interesting.
[00:24:45] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--61157a395affa4006d0cfc64--lollyg: Yeah. Okay. Well, I'm gonna, you're gonna,
[00:24:48] help me research that a little bit so we can sort of
[00:24:50] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--guest762692--patrick: Sure.
[00:24:50] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--61157a395affa4006d0cfc64--lollyg: the right look and feel.
[00:24:52] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--guest762692--patrick: Yeah. Cuz you're gonna be a creative then can go with that.
[00:24:55] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--61157a395affa4006d0cfc64--lollyg: Yeah, I love it. I will be, I will be a YouTube creator as well as a podcaster. Maybe
[00:25:01] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--guest762692--patrick: you could do that.
[00:25:02] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--61157a395affa4006d0cfc64--lollyg: Yeah. So, so maybe tell the audience a little bit. We, I should have started with this, actually tell, the listeners just briefly, before we wrap up a little bit about, about you and, and what your you're thinking, your path might be
[00:25:14] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--guest762692--patrick: Well, I don't know. It's, it's hard to say because my school made us decide in grade 10 at 15 years old, which is idiotic, unless you are, you know, unless you've already had a path in place and you had an idea of where you're gonna take that. Like for instance, one of our friends, she decided she's gonna be a doctor.
[00:25:32] She just got accepted into Queens recently and she's wanted to be, was it a brain surgeon since she was like seven or nine years old? She. Always on it. It was incredible, but she's always known that, but then you have, you know, certain other people where it's kind of like, they decide, it's like, oh, well maybe I wanna be a app designer.
[00:25:50] And then they go to university, learn about it. It's like, oh, well, I don't like this. This is not a fun program. They go into marketing. They're like, oh, well maybe I don't like this. And they just keep popping from degree from degree. And then, you know, maybe they find a happy medium, they end up in a job.
[00:26:02] They like, or they just get wrapped up in a corporate job and they don't enjoy it at all. So for myself, it, it, I'm sort of, kind of like the person who keeps darting around I'm, I'm, I'm very indecisive. I can't figure out where I really wanna be. I don't know. I'm, I'm having a look at maybe a Bachelor of arts program for communications, because that opens up a lot of, you know, what I'm, what I'm relatively good at, which is people interactions. I wouldn't. Terrible at that. Marketing could be a fun pursuit. I find that to be interesting.
[00:26:32] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--61157a395affa4006d0cfc64--lollyg: Well, you also had a conversation with that, that person at that network event about human resources.
[00:26:37] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--guest762692--patrick: that's right. She was very interesting. Yeah. She told me a lot of what she does and I really liked it actually.
[00:26:41] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--61157a395affa4006d0cfc64--lollyg: Yeah. Yeah. Not all
[00:26:43] corporate jobs are terrible. serve me
[00:26:45] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--guest762692--patrick: I know, but it, yeah, but then if someone who's just juggling around, they're indecisive, they. Eventually you don't decide like, okay, screw it.
[00:26:53] I'm taking the corporate route then maybe it's not what they want to do. And they're miserable. sort of where I was coming from.
[00:26:58] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--61157a395affa4006d0cfc64--lollyg: Yeah. Yeah, that's a fair point. But I think, you know, you've got, you've got a good plan in place with the courses you've chosen for grade 11 this year in grade 12. And, and then from there, you know, going with more of a general bachelor of arts that, that really leverages your communication strength, and then you get, get time to choose be a kid still there's no rush, honestly.
[00:27:18] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--guest762692--patrick: Yeah, luckily very smart friend of mine? He also informed me that, you know, needlessly restricting myself to one unique subject. It's not the most smart thing to do at least branch out of bit in case you do change your mind. So for him. I'm pretty sure his, his choices are pretty similar all across the board, but I think he's also isolating more tech related pro like, more tech related programs since ideally he wants to be in software designer.
[00:27:45] He he's gonna work with computers. That's that? That's what he has in mind. He's gonna be program or something within that field program related. So, and for myself sort of branching out, meaning I'll take, I'll be taking psychology, unlikely. I'll get a doctor's degree, a doctor. I don't want that instead.
[00:28:02] Well, I'll probably what I'm sort of geared more towards is either communications degree or maybe cause I'm most taking media arts. I could find something in that because it opens up to filming, opens up to podcasting animation and it just a ton of it's very, it's more modernized. It it's a very modernized kind of field cuz everything's going virtual.
[00:28:23] Everything's going digital. And to be smart to I'd be an in demand person. If I was. Standard on how to do all that. So I feel like that could be a very interesting course, cuz I took tech. I liked the first bit of it and then we did programming and I was like, okay, I don't like this. Maybe I should switch it up a bit.
[00:28:40] Cuz I kept relying on my buddy. I'm pretty sure he wrote half the code for my grade. So
[00:28:44] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--61157a395affa4006d0cfc64--lollyg: Yeah, well, there's so much potential in this sort of communications arena and you know, lots Lots of the listeners are probably nodding their heads right now going oh yeah, because it's, it's a key, you know, what communications runs across all disciplines, all roles in any organization. Right. You know, the ability to to make yourself understood, to seek, to understand others, to be able to navigate, you know, difficult conversations, tricky conversations, and you.
[00:29:11] It that lends itself to, to leadership and, and to having a better experience, no matter where you end up. Right. So I think, I think you're on a good, good path for sure. So
[00:29:21] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--guest762692--patrick: Something, something else also just also kind of notes in terms of like, not even the indecisiveness, but just trying things out as sort of with, with you and dad, actually, for him, he had a ton of jobs growing up. He, it was mostly working with his hands, but he worked as a locksmith. He did lawn, he acquired all these different skills and just, he was trying things out to see what was
[00:29:42] his own rhythm.
[00:29:44] He was, he was doing all that as for you, you. Teaching did that for a couple years. Like, all right. I, maybe I don't like this. I love the kids, but I don't love this profession. I'm gonna go to corporate. Did that for a couple years. You met dad. You're like, okay. And you both sort of went away from that. You went on, you started this business.
[00:30:00] You're much happier. I've never seen you happier. And then for dad, he went over to the home, inspecting route, found it to be kind of interesting. Cuz you get to you, you do get a bit of a personal connection with clients, but then you also, he also gets to work with his hands. He gets to also work. Homes, which is what sort of, I think, led to his gravitation into a handyman because he added that as a secondary service and it just exploded sort of in the after COVID era.
[00:30:28] And he just exploded with business. He was like, okay, I love all this, all of the skills, all the things I've done before it also applied, it all applies to this
[00:30:35] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--61157a395affa4006d0cfc64--lollyg: Yeah,
[00:30:36] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--guest762692--patrick: gardening. I haven't, I haven't seemed to a gardening job, but everything else in terms of like flooring, fixing doors locks,
[00:30:43] everything it's.
[00:30:44] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--61157a395affa4006d0cfc64--lollyg: with him.
[00:30:45] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--guest762692--patrick: Yeah, and exactly, but it's sort of all of his trying out.
[00:30:48] Maybe it, it, maybe it wasn't indecisiveness, but even if it's just trying things out, it sort of leads to the one thing that makes you happy that puts you on the career path that you're you're meant to be on. And I'm hoping that through the, through the next two years of schooling, I can find my own groove just by trying different things.
[00:31:06] Like I, I tried working in a corporate environment. I enjoyed it. People, they were fantastic. They were
[00:31:10] lovely.
[00:31:10] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--61157a395affa4006d0cfc64--lollyg: you had good experience this summer?
[00:31:12] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--guest762692--patrick: Yeah, and it, it was a scanning job but it was done on a different level that gave me a better, a bigger challenge. And just the peop when everyone, everyone there was. Eager to help me. Like, I remember my one, my, the one guy I befriended there, he showed me how to do things more efficiently.
[00:31:28] He, he showed me a little trick with file manager, how to just keep everything at a steady rhythm. And it made it more fun for me. It didn't make it as dreadful since I was going up and back and forth. And it was just taking too long, but he showed me how to get into a good groove. And by the time I was going all over the place and doing so much scanning all at once, I actually enjoyed it a bit.
[00:31:46] It was tiring cuz I was
[00:31:48] working for eight hours, a good eight hours a day, but I enjoy.
[00:31:50] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--61157a395affa4006d0cfc64--lollyg: So a few themes there, you know, like, you know, you being very sort of curious and interested, like what's this experience all about, you know, it's kinda the hallmarks that I was talking about for talent leaders, that curiosity being open to learning open, to not knowing yet what you're supposed to do.
[00:32:05] I think that served you well in that particular instance. And also when you're going out to work with your dad on different jobs at different houses,
[00:32:12] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--guest762692--patrick: Yeah,
[00:32:13] like physical that's
[00:32:14] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--61157a395affa4006d0cfc64--lollyg: yeah,
[00:32:14] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--guest762692--patrick: That's an equally fun
[00:32:16] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--61157a395affa4006d0cfc64--lollyg: well, you know, You know what comes up all the time in the talent trust. And when I'm doing thought partner work one on one with, with talent leaders, it's you know, this idea.
[00:32:25] I feel like a broken record. I probably said it on several podcast episodes, but this idea of embrace the iteration and experiment, you know, you don't have to get things perfect. And I grew up, I'm a recovering perfectionist. So I, you know, if you try to be perfect, you're never gonna put anything out in the world.
[00:32:40] So, you know, with, with programs in organizations or with figuring out your career path, you know, give yourself a little space and grace to experiment and try things on for size. And then. And then take time to reflect well, what, what worked about that? What didn't and now what, what does that mean for what my choices will be going forward?
[00:32:58] And
[00:32:59] I I just think that's a healthy way to be,
[00:33:01] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--guest762692--patrick: I agree. I, I, I agree completely. Yeah. Cuz if you're striving to be perfect and you get nothing out, you'll never be happy with what you produce, even if it is. Flawless. It'll never be up to the standards you think it's go, it's supposed to be, and you'll be stuck doing nothing your entire life, cuz you can't decide, you just can't decide at all.
[00:33:22] this is a bit of a weird throwback, but back to like the indecisiveness of choosing a program, people are so some certain, certain individuals are so hell bent on driving towards one profession. But then when, when it, when it doesn't work out for them, They, they sort of think it's a reflection on themselves and their own abilities, even if what they did is flawless, but it just wasn't, they're just meant to
[00:33:45] take a small
[00:33:46] slide, step
[00:33:46] and
[00:33:47] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--61157a395affa4006d0cfc64--lollyg: That's very insightful. Patrick is when I left teaching. I, yeah, I felt very,
[00:33:52] ashamed and guilty about it for, for a long time. And yet it was the best thing I could have done. So I it's very wise that you, that you see that.
[00:34:00] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--guest762692--patrick: Acknowledging that I think is also part of what drove you back onto a proper career course is acknowledging. This is not for me. It's not my fault. I am a part I'm, I'm good at this. But it's just not for me. I need to shift my gears and move towards something more on my speed. Something different that enhances my abilities a bit.
[00:34:16] And yeah, I think, I think just observing your journey through the different career paths, it sort of puts you on this one. Then you
[00:34:22] finally found your rhythm. You haven't.
[00:34:25] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--61157a395affa4006d0cfc64--lollyg: Absolutely. Yeah. Evolved into this. Well, thank, thank you so much for coming on to, to be the host today. Really be the interviewer. I really appreciate it.
[00:34:36] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--guest762692--patrick: my minor podcast experience has helped.
[00:34:38] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--61157a395affa4006d0cfc64--lollyg: there you go. So now, now you've got one podcast episode under, under your belt already.
[00:34:43] Excellent. Thank
[00:34:44] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--guest762692--patrick: good.
[00:34:44] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--61157a395affa4006d0cfc64--lollyg: much for coming on the show.
[00:34:46] I appreciate it.
[00:34:47] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--guest762692--patrick: Of course. I'm always happy to help.
[00:34:49] anniversary-episode-patrick-interviews-lisa_recording-1_2022-08-31--t04-31-02pm--61157a395affa4006d0cfc64--lollyg: All right. Good.
[00:34:52] Thanks
[00:34:52] again.
